Interested in Someone Outside of Gnosis? Some Observations… - (922)

Introduction

This post presents some of the observations that I have made over the years of people in these situations. This may help a person to see things with a clearer head if a person finds him or herself in such a situation.

I really don't want to mock anybody, all I want to do with this post is to present the typical flawed ways of thinking and feeling that are experienced when people are in these type of situations. 

The Observations

Here below are some of the very typical things that are said, thought and felt when people are in the struggle of whether to continue with or not continue with the girl friend or boyfriend who is outside of Gnosis and doesn’t really like Gnosis .

The Redeemer

What often happens is that people feel as if they can fulfil the role of a redeemer, helping the person who is not in Gnosis to come to do the Gnostic esoteric work.

Many times the redeemer dreamer does not really know if the person not in Gnosis wants to do or is interested in doing some kind of spiritual work.

It is a bit of a dream identity, feeling to be a saviour or a redeemer based on the fact that the other person is not in the work and is apparently therefore not going so well and needs help. The person in the work feels to be in a better position and feels that he/she can help and so this comes to be a reason for the relationship that covers the real reason which may be a kind of lust, self-importance, self-love etc. or a recurrence from the past that and the nature of the relationship in the past may not have contained spiritual motivations.

This redeemer role is usually not carefully thought out because the person may not need redeeming or it may not be in the interests of their Being, it may be for another time or life? Who knows? Many people in normal life have the skills and knowledge to go through life more or less well and don't need the work to move to their end. The work is only for those whose Monads want the self-realization.

You know in a Gnostic relationship one redeems oneself with the help of the other. It is not really the case that one redeems the other. A guru helps to do that, but in a relationship between man and woman there is not a guru disciple relationship, it is a different type of relationship.

The Dreamer in Love

One feels to be in love and so one has to go ahead, and one can not let go. People in this state do not question that love to see how real it is or isn't. But it is good to do it so to be more conscious about the quality or nature of our own feelings.

An interesting thing though is what counts in a relationship are facts. Loving the person is good and right but it is your and their facts or actions that make it work. It is love carried into actions that is the magic combination.

The dreamer in love, believes he loves but in reality he/she may not. When he/she doesn’t but believes that they do, their feeling of love is taken from them in a second. As soon as the person disappoints you or does something that you don’t like it goes and all of a sudden the situation appears very difficult, which in this type of situation is good because it is a wake up call.

Classical Take Down but No One Sees it

Usually this type of situation is there to take people off the path. This is a classic take down. Though the very interesting thing is that when the person is in the middle of this situation they do not see it nor want to recognise it.

Delusions of Grandeur

One feels to have a tremendous love that can redeem or save the person. But the usual reality is that the one who feels that, that is the one who believes that he/she can save the other person has not been redeemed yet and is kind of struggling anyway. If they weren’t struggling they would not be in this situation in the first place.

In the practical realities of life it is very difficult to save another person, even when they are Gnostic, just ask any missionary and they will tell you that it is no piece of cake. Imagine for a person who is not in Gnosis it would be even harder and very taxing leaving you perhaps overwhelmed and drained and prone to give up.

Defensive

Usually people get very defensive as well. Maybe they know deep down that they are getting into trouble or are complicating and making their lives difficult and so they get defensive so to divert people’s attention from pointing this out to them.

But He/She is Very Spiritual

This is so common, people always say "but he/she is a very spiritual person". The facts though are that the person never comes to Gnosis and seems not to ever want to.

This is like a crutch that makes people to hang on or lead them to believe that it will work out for them. I have even heard people saying that their ‘new person’ is even more spiritual than most Gnostic people, but that person never comes to any Gnostic class nor meets the Gnostic people, and in most cases regards them with disdain.

Conclusion

Usually the person is under like a spell of self-deception that the person does not usually recognise or accept that and often feels very hurt when that is said to them. If the person gets very real and focusses on the solid realities of the situation the person can come out of that spell and see things clearly.

I am going to write a post about this matter of coming out of that spell and how one can work with the feelings that arise when one does this.

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